[00:01:07.400] [music] [00:01:08.420] One day last fall, my wife and I read in the local paper [00:01:08.600] that a volunteer group had organized a paper and glass recycling [00:01:13.960] depository in all the shopping centers in Chapel Hill. [00:01:17.480] In our enthusiasm to get some of our old newspapers and glass bottles recycled [00:01:23.680] we began to investigate the source of all this action. [00:01:27.640] We learned that a group of [00:01:31.360] distinguished citizens of Chapel Hill [00:01:34.443] and housewives had organized [00:01:37.343] a Joint Action Council on Recycling [00:01:40.760] and had initiated this volunteer effort. [00:01:44.720] Shortly thereafter [00:01:46.814] our audiovisual bureau received a small [00:01:49.960] grant from the Mary Reynolds Babcock Foundation [00:01:52.680] and we organized a cooperative effort in order to present this recycling project [00:01:59.520] to the Chapel Hill community and [00:02:02.243] for others who might want to use it as a model [00:02:05.240] for initiating a recycling project in their own community. [00:02:09.120] Today, we have as our guests on our panel, on our right, Mrs. Peggy Cohn. [00:02:20.800] - [Ken] Mrs. Cohn was responsible for organizing the glass recycling facet of the project. [00:02:29.040] And on the other end of the [00:02:32.440] panel [00:02:35.040] Mrs. Mary Turnbull [00:02:36.960] who initiated the original idea, [00:02:39.040] organized the Joint Action Council for Recycling and was the main [00:02:45.040] spring behind all the activity that went into the project. [00:02:51.160] In the center [00:02:52.440] we have as our panel moderator, [00:02:56.160] Dr. Ritchie Bell, [00:02:57.840] Professor of Botany at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill [00:03:01.920] and a prominent environmentalist in our community. [00:03:06.480] Dr. Bell is going to lead our panel discussion today. [00:03:10.640] But before we discuss the project, [00:03:15.600] we thought it would be a good idea to show our television audience [00:03:20.320] some of the things that went into the recycling project [00:03:23.514] up to and after the Board of Alderman [00:03:26.600] accepted a proposal from the Joint Action Council [00:03:30.040] and implemented the paper recycling facet of the project [00:03:35.757] as an official function [00:03:37.960] of the Department of Public Works of the Town of Chapel Hill. [00:03:41.880] Now let's take a look at some of the slides. [00:03:45.400] [music] [00:03:53.160] - [Narrator] In the spring of 1971, [00:03:55.280] Mary Turnbull called a group of people to her home to begin a series of informal [00:04:00.320] meetings on the problem of recycling solid waste. [00:04:03.960] On May 10, 1971, we formed the Joint Action Council for Recycling [00:04:09.240] with Mary Turnbull as its chairman. [00:04:12.040] The council included representatives from civic groups, [00:04:14.880] the State Board of Health, students, and faculty from the University. [00:04:19.000] We were all interested in initiating [00:04:21.120] a recycling program in Chapel Hill. [00:04:23.643] To start our program [00:04:25.280] we decided to focus on one aspect of recycling. [00:04:28.640] Newspaper was chosen because it is easy to handle and sort, [00:04:33.000] there was an existing market, [00:04:34.800] we had available data on circulation, [00:04:37.560] and the price paid by buyers was relatively high. [00:04:41.200] In September, we decided to take action [00:04:43.640] in the form of a weekly newspaper recycling drive to last for three months. [00:04:48.520] We planned to try glass recycling once a month or three times during the drive. [00:04:54.080] November 7th was set as our target date. [00:04:57.029] In October of 1971, [00:04:59.520] while our Citizens' Council was planning its newspaper drive, [00:05:02.960] the town government formed an official committee to discuss recycling. [00:05:07.640] The Mayor's Task Force on Solid Waste Recycling was composed [00:05:11.480] of politically oriented townspeople who were interested in recycling benefits. [00:05:17.000] Members of the Joint Action Council for Recycling were also asked to join [00:05:21.080] the Mayor's Task Force [00:05:22.629] as representatives from their active citizens group. [00:05:25.760] This was our first official recognition. [00:05:29.000] The nineteen members of the task force [00:05:31.314] began to gather data and discuss various methods [00:05:33.760] of recycling all forms of solid waste by the city. [00:05:37.680] Meanwhile, we continued with our plans [00:05:39.760] for the weekly newspaper drive and monthly glass recycling. [00:05:43.720] We chose Saturdays from twelve to three as our collection time [00:05:47.480] to facilitate the use of volunteers such as the Boy Scouts. [00:05:51.880] We publicized our drive [00:05:53.360] with the cooperation of local newspapers and radio and sent printed flyers [00:05:57.920] to approximately a hundred and twenty five civic and church groups. [00:06:04.240] Now let's take out an action [00:06:07.520] picture on film clip of the recycling project. [00:06:15.640] - [Narrator] We had chosen four shopping centers as [00:06:17.880] convenient collection points in various sections of the town. [00:06:21.840] The entire workforce helping to load and unload [00:06:24.914] the newspapers intro trucks was volunteer. [00:06:29.040] At least a hundred and twenty-four volunteers participated in the drives, [00:06:31.240] including members of scout troops and various civic organizations. [00:06:35.400] In addition to this, [00:06:36.520] we were loaned a truck rent free by local rental agencies. [00:06:40.360] We had only to pay for gas and the driver. [00:06:43.760] We had found a market in nearby Raleigh [00:06:45.720] where two volunteer workers from the Gutter Service Company met us [00:06:49.080] each Monday morning to unload the newspapers. [00:06:53.440] Volunteer secretarial help was donated by the Merchant's Association. [00:06:56.680] The entire glass recycling process was handled by the Coca-Cola Company, [00:07:01.240] who sent their recycling unit to the scheduled locations. [00:07:05.200] Well over one thousand families brought [00:07:07.320] approximately sixty-two tons of newspaper [00:07:10.586] to be recycled during the three month drive. [00:07:13.120] Some brought paper for themselves and their neighbors [00:07:15.640] and some brought both paper and glass. [00:07:18.280] We administered questionnaires to determine the frequency [00:07:21.400] of participation and the desire for more recycling in Chapel Hill. [00:07:27.160] The last of the slide series shows [00:07:29.560] the actual implementation of the paper recycling facet of the project [00:07:36.280] from the time the Board of Aldermen took over. [00:07:39.571] [music] [00:07:42.040] On the recommendation of a joint action council, the Mayor's Task Force decided [00:07:46.760] to submit a proposal to the Board of Aldermen asking that the city take over [00:07:51.040] the recycling of newspapers on a trial basis. [00:07:54.520] It was suggested that local fire stations [00:07:56.800] might be used as collection points. [00:08:00.320] To this end, Alice Welch, a member of the Board of Aldermen [00:08:03.000] and the Mayor's Task Force, took the proposal [00:08:05.680] to the Public Works Department and received the approval of the City Manager. [00:08:10.960] To further reinforce the proposal, [00:08:12.880] a petition showing community support [00:08:15.640] was circulated with the help of student volunteers. [00:08:18.960] Members of the community were able to actively respond [00:08:23.520] to the proposal of city recycling [00:08:25.300] and to discuss the implications of such an effort. [00:08:28.960] At the February Aldermen's meeting, we took steps to translate the volunteer [00:08:33.320] recycling program into city responsibility. [00:08:37.240] The petition was announced and presented to the board. [00:08:41.400] Mary presented the official proposal to the alderman. [00:08:44.680] This was read by Alice Welch, alderman and member of the Mayor's Task Force. [00:08:51.043] [music] [00:08:53.680] - [Alice Welch] Persist in finding solutions for these [00:08:55.280] unhealthy environmental conditions, a Mayor's Task Force on Recycling [00:08:59.720] was appointed by the Board of Aldermen to study and make recommendations [00:09:02.480] for additional ecological systems the town might want to adopt. [00:09:06.040] To this end, the Mayor's Task Force [00:09:07.640] recommends to the Mayor and to the Board of Aldermen that the Town of Chapel Hill [00:09:10.600] and the Board of Carrboro initiate a pilot program to recycle newspapers [00:09:14.640] on a municipal volunteer basis for an indefinite period. [00:09:18.040] The objectives of this project are one, to reduce the volume of solid [00:09:22.240] waste deposited in our sanitary landfill [00:09:24.614] and two, to help preserve our nation's [00:09:26.880] natural resources by curtailing depletion of our forests. [00:09:30.080] The collection system will consist of four bulk containers to be supplied by the Town [00:09:34.240] of Chapel Hill, located at the number two fire station, Glen Lennox, and the number [00:09:38.160] three fire station in East Franklin Street, [00:09:40.080] where citizens of both towns may dispose of newspapers for recycling. [00:09:44.120] Firemen on duty will assist when necessary in loading the containers. [00:09:48.120] Newspapers may be deposited at these two [00:09:51.040] locations daily including Saturdays and Sundays on a twenty-four hour basis. [00:09:55.480] Only clean, unbundled, untied newspapers will be acceptable. [00:09:59.360] This specifically excludes any other paper products such as magazines, catalogs, [00:10:03.240] cups and plates, cartons, [?], napkins, etc., [00:10:06.200] . foreign matter such as garbage bottles, [00:10:08.280] cans and other trash and litter are specifically forbidden. [00:10:12.840] The Mayor and the Board of Aldermen unanimously [00:10:15.229] accepted our proposal for the city to take [00:10:17.360] over recycling newspapers on a trial basis. [00:10:20.800] The official action by the town began [00:10:22.880] the next week at one of two local fire stations. [00:10:26.680] Dempsey Dumpsters were used as containers [00:10:29.360] and were supervised by the firemen on duty. [00:10:32.160] Citizens were able to bring their papers on a twenty-four hour basis. [00:10:36.760] Mayor Lee was there to add his own paper and to personally endorse our efforts. [00:10:42.280] Members of the community began immediately to participate in the program [00:10:46.400] and by the end of one week, [00:10:48.186] two more dumpsters had to be added at this one local station. [00:10:52.160] The Public Works Department is continuing [00:10:54.760] to recycle newspapers, [00:10:56.700] taking them by truck to the market [00:10:58.600] in Raleigh and making a slight weekly profit. [00:11:01.960] Glass recycling is still a volunteer effort [00:11:05.080] supervised by the Joint Action Council, [00:11:07.520] but is being discussed by the Mayor's Task Force as a possible city program. [00:11:12.520] Our citizens group has not disbanded. [00:11:15.200] We will continue to exist as long as there is a need for solid waste recycling [00:11:20.400] and we as citizens have proved that we can do something about it. [00:11:27.120] Ken, that was a mighty interesting account of what can be done with [00:11:31.300] a little bit of leadership [00:11:33.280] an idea, a little bit of volunteer effort, [00:11:38.600] and then some community action, however, that's not all of the story. [00:11:42.720] And I wonder if we could have Mary Turnbull [00:11:45.040] show us some charts to give us a breakdown of really what took place during this [00:11:49.520] effort at recycling of the newspapers and glass in Chapel Hill. [00:11:55.440] I'd be glad to Ritchie. [00:11:57.080] Let's run down some of these charts. [00:12:00.960] There were over one thousand volunteer man hours [00:12:05.600] put into the paper drive during the eleven weeks it was held [00:12:10.200] between twenty-eight and thirty-seven volunteers per week were on site. [00:12:15.600] They contributed over eighty-seven hours on site at the four locations [00:12:21.000] and the time on site averaged between three and four and a half hours per week. [00:12:28.000] This chart shows the sources, [00:12:30.600] the prime sources of volunteer workers— civic organizations, Boy Scout troops, [00:12:36.160] Girl Scout troops, local businesses, and just [00:12:39.480] many, many interested citizens. The League of Women Voters was also helpful. [00:12:46.040] This chart shows the community response to the paper drive. [00:12:50.000] Over one thousand families came at least once to drop off their paper [00:12:54.960] and fifteen hundred families came more than once. [00:12:59.240] A total of two thousand six hundred ninety-one deliveries were made. [00:13:07.920] This shows the sale of the paper and glass during the eleven weeks the drive was held. [00:13:14.760] Over sixty-two tons of paper were collected. [00:13:18.360] The average was over five tons. [00:13:20.880] The least amount of paper we had per week was two tons [00:13:23.640] and the most was the first week and it was ten tons. [00:13:26.600] The total was sixty-two tons. [00:13:28.880] This is the glass collected monthly. [00:13:30.720] It was collected in [00:13:33.120] November, December, and January. [00:13:34.640] The first collection we got over one ton. [00:13:39.200] It then jumped to five tons and then dropped back down to three tons. [00:13:43.680] We collected a total of over nine tons of glass during the three times. [00:13:50.520] This shows our financial breakdown. [00:13:54.880] Paper we received $12 per ton for it [00:13:57.960] and we got $721. [00:14:01.240] Glass we received [00:14:03.160] $15 per ton and we received $171 [00:14:05.800] for a total of $893.16. [00:14:10.200] The paper cost us $467 [00:14:13.400] and the glass cost us $143. [00:14:16.520] Our total balance at the end of January from the three glass collections [00:14:20.720] and the eleven paper collections was $281.91. [00:14:28.840] This shows the amount of glass per week in Chapel Hill, this is a very rough figure. [00:14:34.040] They're over thirty three tons of glass [00:14:36.440] per week in Chapel Hill, and this only includes beer, soft drinks, and wine. [00:14:42.520] So it's a pretty impressive amount. [00:14:45.680] Thank you very much, Mary. [00:14:47.920] I think those figures were very [00:14:49.560] interesting in that you said the glass collections came to around nine tons. [00:14:54.640] Is that right, [00:14:55.560] the total for the project? [00:14:58.843] - [Peggy] For those three weeks. - [Ritchie] In three weeks. [00:15:02.040] Yet we have total of over thirty-three tons a week [00:15:04.300] of glass coming into the community. [00:15:09.400] One of the things that I'd like to ask now for those that might want to pursue [00:15:14.640] this in their own communities, [00:15:16.600] Peggy, could you give us any idea of what [00:15:19.160] some of the special problems are in such a project as this, of course, [00:15:23.720] other than getting the people to come out and work for nothing? [00:15:27.200] Well, glass is a specific problem of being a real hazard to handle. [00:15:32.440] And in order to make it saleable, it has to be divided into color lots. [00:15:37.920] We have to divide it into clear and green and brown. [00:15:41.200] We don't have a market in Chapel Hill for brown glass. [00:15:43.520] There is no one who will buy it from us right now, [00:15:45.880] so we can't even offer to accept it to recycle. [00:15:50.760] When we do collect it, we have to divide it into receptacles [00:15:53.640] that are convenient enough for individuals to handle and trying to keep it [00:16:00.240] on a simple basis because of a volunteer organization. [00:16:03.920] We have used [00:16:06.600] fifty-five gallon drums. [00:16:07.280] This is something that the Coca-Cola Company initiated and [00:16:10.880] it will continue to be effective I think. [00:16:13.720] How much does a fifty-five gallon drum full of glass bottles weigh? [00:16:17.200] Depends on whether it's broken down or not. [00:16:19.067] Unbroken. [00:16:20.720] Unbroken it probably only weighs maybe two hundred pounds at the most. [00:16:25.200] But when you compact it, [00:16:26.440] when you compact the glass in it, it can weigh up to a thousand pounds of [00:16:32.920] glass in one drum. [00:16:34.200] So that's why the Coca-Cola Company does break it down [00:16:36.960] so that it's more easily transported to the site. [00:16:40.480] I see. When you say that it's a hazard to handle this is just from getting cut? [00:16:45.760] I mean, do all the workers wear heavy gloves or? [00:16:48.640] We we require that the Girls or the Boy Scouts, whoever, wear gloves. [00:16:53.440] And if they're going to work anywhere near equipment [00:16:55.120] where it's being broken, that they wear glasses or goggles as well. [00:17:00.320] And of course, we're working in parking lots where [00:17:02.520] the cleanup is a major problem because we can't leave any of it around. [00:17:05.560] I see. Why can't you sell the glass just mixed? [00:17:10.880] I mean, the green, the brown, and the clear. [00:17:15.480] Why can't they use that? [00:17:17.040] Our market is to a bottle manufacturer [00:17:21.160] and they manufacture certain color bottles and they mix straight colors into it. [00:17:25.800] If we were selling to someone making glassphalt, they could buy all colors mixed. [00:17:29.600] And we have a potential market for that around here, [00:17:32.040] but nothing yet. [00:17:33.280] How would glass be used in asphalt? [00:17:36.400] It's used in two different ways today. [00:17:38.560] It's being extensively studied, [00:17:40.600] but the major sources as an aggregate like the crushed rock and the second [00:17:49.120] major source of it is used in a much more finely granulated form as a surface [00:17:55.960] filler in order to illuminate the sides of roads and things like this. [00:18:00.240] It's an illuminate factor. [00:18:05.500] I see, but we do not have that yet in Chapel Hill? [00:18:05.680] Not in the state of North Carolina as yet. [00:18:07.560] Not yet in the whole state. [00:18:09.000] Well, they are going to experiment. [00:18:10.560] Supposedly the state is putting in one road now. [00:18:13.341] I see. [00:18:14.480] On the matter of trees, [00:18:16.280] you gave us some figures on the number of tons of newsprint. [00:18:20.320] How many trees are there per ton or how many tons per tree? [00:18:24.160] However it works. [00:18:25.700] I believe seventeen trees produce a ton of paper. [00:18:28.320] This is virgin paper. [00:18:29.000] - [Ritchie] So every ton of newspaper that's recycled we save seventeen trees? [00:18:34.720] That is correct. The New York Times, [00:18:37.160] I understand, the Sunday Times, just [00:18:39.500] shoots down whole forests of trees every time— [00:18:41.500] - [Ritchie] You mean acres and acres of trees for just one edition? - That's correct. That's correct. [00:18:44.720] So is there a way to recycle the newspaper [00:18:47.840] as newsprint or does it go into something else? [00:18:50.680] No, you can can turn it back into newsprint again. [00:18:55.000] I understand this is being done and it makes very nice stationery. [00:18:59.240] I have some stationery made out of recycled newspapers. [00:19:02.059] - [Ritchie] Recycled newspapers? [00:19:02.720] That's correct. [00:19:04.560] I see. Well, you said that they can only take clean, unbound newspapers. [00:19:12.800] What about something like cardboard cartons? [00:19:15.320] Everything comes in a cardboard box. [00:19:20.160] Our vendors require [00:19:22.000] you, again, as Peggy's do, to separate your paper. [00:19:25.800] So if you wanted to collect corrugated cardboard, you'd have to go through [00:19:30.040] a whole other—it would have to be collected separately from newspaper. [00:19:33.100] I see. [00:19:34.320] So you'd have to have a whole other set up for it. [00:19:37.440] And that's primarily comes in through the merchants. [00:19:39.840] Most householders don't have a large accumulation of corrugated cardboard. [00:19:43.920] Are there any other uses for this paper? I mean, when we say recycling, [00:19:49.000] you mean from paper back to paper? Is that right? [00:19:55.020] - [Mary] Yes. [00:19:52.743] Have there been any attempts [00:19:55.000] for example, to use the paper as a mulch to recycle it organically so to speak? [00:20:02.320] I think there have been. I know it can be used— [00:20:04.720] one of the uses is in tar paper. [00:20:06.520] It can be used for shoeboxes— [00:20:09.800] of course, that's a paper product again. [00:20:11.749] Mulching. [00:20:12.320] The problem with mulching is, [00:20:13.360] and I realize this is your specialty, is that it takes— [00:20:18.060] Well, it's organic gardening. [00:20:18.240] Yeah, it's organic gardening. [00:20:20.114] It just takes a long time to mulch as much [00:20:23.680] newspapers comes into Chapel Hill a week. [00:20:24.886] - [Peggy] People have used newspaper for years [00:20:26.280] for everything from animal litter to mulch to fire to a source of heat. [00:20:31.920] - [Ritchie] Sure. [00:20:33.960] We use newspaper very frequently a second time. [00:20:38.200] And so that does use up a certain part of it and give it legitimate recycling. [00:20:43.560] So really the problem that we're faced [00:20:45.560] with in recycling is that we've got too much to reuse like the tin cans. [00:20:50.680] You can only use so many tin cans for fish worms and things like that. [00:20:55.320] Well, this I think then brings up another point. [00:20:58.920] Do you have any suggestions as to how we [00:21:01.320] might get around the need for much of the recycling? [00:21:04.800] - [Peggy] We're, in both the Joint Action Council and the Mayor's Committee, [00:21:08.600] looking at the way to stop consumption at the source of the problem rather than [00:21:13.680] trying to eliminate it once it's been consumed once. [00:21:17.720] This means trying to get people to look [00:21:20.800] at the garbage they're buying, look at all the packaging they're buying, and try to [00:21:26.040] discourage the store that they shop in from giving them as many bags, [00:21:30.200] giving them in as many boxes, or extra packaging items. [00:21:34.240] - [Ritchie] You mean to say that I buy garbage? [00:21:37.371] [everyone on stage laughing] - [Peggy] We all do. [00:21:40.240] Sometimes [00:21:42.400] there is an opportunity to control this [00:21:44.920] fairly easy and the rest of time [00:21:46.840] I think it's a problem of reeducation [00:21:48.960] of the consumer to not demanding quite so much convenience packaging, [00:21:54.800] trying to decide what's more valuable to us. [00:21:58.000] And that's the hardest part is to [?]. [00:21:59.960] Well, why wouldn't [00:22:01.720] the producers, for example, be the people to see? [00:22:05.400] Because if the package costs them less [00:22:07.920] wouldn't they make more money? [00:22:09.386] - [Mary] Advertising though. Most of your packaging, [00:22:11.880] it seems to me, goes into promoting your product. [00:22:15.240] And this is really the problem. [00:22:17.386] You mean if everything came in the same [00:22:19.800] color, tattletale grey bag, just with a label on it? - That's right. [00:22:23.320] That's right. [00:22:25.560] This would be a problem. Yes, I can see. [00:22:26.760] You're obviously not the buyer in your family. [00:22:30.356] [laughs] [00:22:30.320] Well, maybe not but I may be the payer. [00:22:33.880] This would be the biggest source of savings. [00:22:35.520] If you ask anyone who's trying to analyze [00:22:37.560] where the system breaks down. If everything was in uniform packaging, [00:22:41.040] uniform color, uniform size, we would save a great deal in terms of wasted— [00:22:45.000] - [Mary] But then the product would really have to stand on its own merits. [00:22:47.520] And this would be very difficult. [00:22:48.600] Right. - Right. [00:22:52.800] I have a couple of questions here. [00:22:55.680] How do you balance out in a recycling project the values? [00:23:00.960] In other words, you mentioned that you [00:23:02.520] don't want to drive a car ten miles to leave a five pound bundle of newspaper. [00:23:08.240] What is the answer to this problem [00:23:10.560] so the people [00:23:12.680] don't add to the pollution in trying to reduce the pollution, so to speak? [00:23:17.520] Well, we initially tried to make it a part of everyday activity. [00:23:23.240] The drives were set up on Sunday afternoons to [00:23:28.560] make it convenient for people to participate in it. [00:23:30.800] But when the depots were set up they were set up in a way that would [00:23:34.560] enable people to do it, drop paper off on regular business so [00:23:37.800] that you don't ever make a special trip just to get rid of something. [00:23:41.680] When we're talking about glass, [00:23:43.600] we do our glass drives now on Saturday [00:23:45.720] mornings so that you can come during regular Saturday morning activities. [00:23:49.040] And hopefully if the town takes it over, it'll be convenient so that no extra [00:23:54.840] energy in terms of fuel or extra pollution in terms of [00:23:59.200] waste materials will be used in getting rid of these things. [00:24:02.400] - [Mary] There's another aspect, too. [00:24:03.800] There's no reason why families can't get together and team up [00:24:07.480] and you can't take somebody else's materials. [00:24:10.240] - [Ritchie] The newspapers and so forth. - [Mary] Newspapers and glass, right. [00:24:12.757] There's no reason one [00:24:14.040] car per family should go out with this stuff. [00:24:17.640] When you say recycling this glass, [00:24:20.440] does that mean the returnables and the non-returnables together? [00:24:24.200] I mean, are they all ground up together? [00:24:27.280] Oh no. Anything that is returnable is not ground up and made into new bottles. [00:24:31.200] It's sent back to be cleaned and reused. [00:24:33.560] - [Ritchie I think this is a very important distinction. [00:24:36.040] When you say recycle the glass, [00:24:37.840] you are recycling either bottles that are not generally returnable [00:24:41.960] or really the non-returnable throwaway type that we have on the highway. [00:24:46.760] Exactly. [00:24:48.000] As a matter of fact, we return for reuse the gallon jugs. [00:24:52.400] Most people don't realize that gallon jugs [00:24:54.960] are worth a nickel apiece, but we sell them. [00:24:56.840] We don't grind them up and have them remade. [00:24:58.461] - [Ritchie] I see. [00:24:59.400] Has there been any effort at all, [00:25:02.640] Just here we've talked about two very important aspects, [00:25:05.000] what about tin cans? [00:25:07.160] Our problem with tin cans is kind of like our problem with glass and paper only [00:25:12.840] it's more so. And that's the transportation problem. [00:25:15.640] I believe the nearest tin can outlets are Atlanta or Baltimore. [00:25:19.640] - [Ritchie] What about aluminum cans? [00:25:22.520] Aluminum is difficult because about one can in a hundred I think is aluminum. [00:25:26.600] And again, there are no nearby outlets for it. [00:25:32.200] - [Peggy] There are programs and the area around here does participate in [00:25:38.040] occasional collections of aluminum so [00:25:39.960] so that if you can save it, you can get rid of it. [00:25:42.440] And aluminum is very light for the amount of space it takes up [00:25:46.160] so you have to just find a corner where you can stash it. [00:25:49.080] And then they have a truck that comes from Richmond, the Reynold's people. [00:25:52.000] - [Mary] But apparently you have to be real pro [00:25:53.480] to be able to pick out what aluminum is. [laughs] [00:25:56.800] - [Ritchie] I see. Well they do that with magnets. [00:25:59.080] I think there have been some very good [00:26:02.000] aluminum collecting efforts in California, for example, that have seemed to pay off. [00:26:08.600] Well, I think that the whole idea is [00:26:11.520] let's try to recycle whatever we can recycle and let's try not to have [00:26:16.680] to recycle by perhaps using less of some things, especially packaging. [00:26:22.440] And with that, I think we can turn the show back over to Ken. [00:26:26.480] I appreciate very much having you with us here this afternoon. [00:26:30.200] Thank you. [00:26:32.880] We thank all of you for being with us on our panel today, [00:26:36.920] and we thank the ladies involved for a job well done on their recycling project. [00:26:44.760] We also look forward to some official action later on on the [00:26:50.000] glass facets of the recycling project. [00:26:54.080] We'd like to ask our television audience some questions regarding recycling. [00:27:01.000] For instance, can you identify some [00:27:03.080] recycling opportunities in your own community? [00:27:07.440] What types of recycling can you accomplish [00:27:09.920] in your own backyard without official community action? [00:27:14.800] Would you like to rent a sixteen millimeter [00:27:18.080] motion picture film version of this television show [00:27:21.960] in order to try to initiate some community action in your own community? [00:27:26.920] If you have a paper and glass recycling project. [00:27:31.640] I feel certainly that there are not many communities who are not [00:27:37.080] concerned about the problem of recycling [00:27:40.240] paper and glass and other recyclable products. [00:27:45.680] If you need any additional information [00:27:50.600] you can write to us [00:27:52.880] And just address your letter to recycling. [00:27:56.729] [music]