[00:00:32.760] [music] [00:00:32.760] For the American Negro, the 1960s have been years of protest [00:00:37.800] with marches and demonstrations all across the land. [00:00:44.280] Where there was public evidence of inequality, [00:00:47.000] there was protest. [00:00:48.680] The tactic was nonviolence. [00:00:54.120] Early on in North Carolina, [00:00:55.990] a handful of students sitting in at Greensboro and Durham lunch counters [00:00:59.920] bore witness for the complaints of Negroes. [00:01:03.960] North Carolina's governor has acknowledged that the voice of this minority, [00:01:08.040] one fourth of the people of the state, should be clearly heard. [00:01:12.560] But he added, if the street is a noisy stage for airing grievances, [00:01:17.200] final persuasion must come in the human heart and mind. [00:01:21.520] The governor challenged Negro students to turn physical action [00:01:25.440] into a genuine dialogue with the whole community. [00:01:29.200] One result, a four part minority report [00:01:32.520] on film and television, sets forth the aspirations of young Negroes today. [00:01:38.040] On this program, [00:01:39.400] students and faculty from North Carolina College in Durham [00:01:43.200] tell how they divided four historic years between their studies and demonstrations. [00:01:49.560] I think the reason that I have, that I have participated in the demonstration [00:01:53.840] stems somewhat from my home training. [00:01:56.920] For ever since I've been a small child, my parents have taught me to stand up [00:02:02.200] for what I believed in and for the principles in which I believed. [00:02:09.000] Our demonstrations, to me, are a last resort. [00:02:13.440] I have demonstrated in other ways before, even through the courts. [00:02:19.880] And I feel that by moving to the streets we, as Negroes, are trying to awaken [00:02:28.160] the consciences of White Americans to the injustices [00:02:34.120] to which we have been subjected for so many years. [00:02:37.320] I felt that my taking part in the demonstration [00:02:41.843] would [00:02:42.640] bring about, in reality, all of those things that we feel [00:02:47.240] every American is entitled to. [00:02:49.800] I felt that Negroes, as Americans, Negroes as people whose ancestors [00:02:54.840] particularly in the South, have made cotton king with unpaid for labor, [00:03:01.160] I felt that only by demonstrating could I [00:03:05.400] see these things realized. [00:03:06.680] Growing up in a ghetto in a mid-Atlantic city, [00:03:12.080] being born in a segregated hospital, going to segregated public schools, [00:03:17.880] then running into segregation, discrimination, [?], [00:03:22.600] and World War II as a teenage soldier. [00:03:27.520] My whole past, more or less set me up in tune for this [00:03:36.080] what we might call young people's revolution or revolt in America. [00:03:42.040] I like to feel, though, that, [00:03:46.560] I'm young enough to be identified with the young people's movement. [00:03:52.000] As a matter of fact, after we began to sit-in at a particular place, [00:03:58.160] several people started to [00:04:00.960] really brutally beat a young lady who was a member of the demonstrators. [00:04:06.520] Now, prior to going down, I had taken the non-violent oath and realizing [00:04:12.680] the expediency of nonviolence [00:04:15.480] I was firmly committed to it. [00:04:18.120] But I hope to God that no son of mine ever has to get out in the streets to watch [00:04:27.400] his sweetheart or his sister [00:04:30.080] or the young ladies be beaten in the process of trying to make a realization [00:04:36.400] the rights that are guaranteed to all Americans under the Constitution. [00:04:41.680] There have been a great number of indignities that I have suffered and [00:04:46.320] now I speak of physical harm. [00:04:49.480] I've been spat upon and kicked and stomped in the stomach. [00:04:55.440] Two guards in an Atlanta prison tried to rape me. [00:05:01.040] This sort of thing has happened to me, [00:05:04.040] but I think that [00:05:05.920] even the physical violence does not hurt me as much as to see my brother [00:05:11.680] suffer the subtle indignities that you really can't put your finger on. [00:05:18.000] And as we walked up to the threshold, [00:05:22.280] of the door of this restaurant, [00:05:25.840] the manager was standing there to greet us. [00:05:29.520] And he [00:05:31.280] intensified his greetings with a double barrel shotgun in his hand. [00:05:35.080] And he stood there and he said, [00:05:39.280] "If either one of you damn niggas crosses that threshold [00:05:42.480] I'll blow your damn brains out." [00:05:45.920] This was very devastating psychologically and emotionally. [00:05:51.400] And he was standing there in such a frenzy that I thought maybe he would blow our [00:05:54.560] brains out whether we crossed the threshold or not. [00:05:57.480] And fortunately he didn't. [00:05:58.680] Well there are many forces which act to trigger violence, [00:06:04.040] but one of the main ones I find [00:06:06.480] is the gathering of Whites [00:06:10.280] across from demonstrations, especially [00:06:13.200] where there are massive demonstrations and and occasionally there are [00:06:18.480] just as greater number of Whites across the street and the police are in the middle [00:06:24.920] usually with their back to the Whites instead of [00:06:28.400] paying attention to what the Whites are doing. [00:06:30.760] And the Whites are, in many instances, [00:06:34.200] acting to provoke the Negro demonstrators into active violence. [00:06:40.560] White policemen are trained to counteract violence. [00:06:44.880] They do not know how to counteract this nonviolent technique. [00:06:49.760] And demonstrations I've been involved in they have been completely baffled as to what to do. [00:06:55.640] In incidents that are extremely provoking, [00:07:01.040] that would provoke violence on my part, [00:07:04.080] I think stand out in my mind most of all, because I know that by becoming violent, [00:07:09.560] I would certainly destroy the principle for which I am demonstrating. [00:07:15.240] We were picketing [00:07:17.280] and this girl friend of mine [00:07:21.200] was walking behind me [00:07:24.400] and about eight hoodlums came up [00:07:27.880] and harassed us and insulted us, as they usually do. [00:07:33.160] But three of the fellows decided that they were going to [00:07:37.880] disrobe this young lady [00:07:40.560] and they proceeded to do so right there on the streets. [00:07:44.200] This was one time when I questioned the value of nonviolence. [00:07:50.400] This is one time when I almost became violent. [00:07:53.680] And I think this is the kind of thing that really tests [00:08:00.360] an individual's commitment to the nonviolence philosophy. [00:08:04.400] Well, when the demonstrations first began [00:08:08.280] I called home to notify my parents that I was going to participate. [00:08:14.760] I am from the North and they were rather against me participating. [00:08:22.120] At, well rather in New York, you look at television [00:08:27.440] and this is what you see as far as demonstrations are concerned: [00:08:31.520] you see [00:08:34.240] people being kicked or stomped [00:08:37.160] by the police, or you see a fellow brethren being drug down the street, [00:08:43.520] or a dog chasing him or something of this sort. [00:08:47.000] And they felt that this physical harm could come to me. [00:08:50.840] My father felt that if he was here with me, [00:08:54.800] that he could in some way protect me against this physical harm. [00:08:59.560] And because I have grown up with Whites [00:09:03.080] and gone to integrated schools, my mother felt that my outlook towards life, [00:09:08.760] or rather towards Whites, would change because of these demonstrations. [00:09:13.920] My parents are very interested in my participating in demonstrations. [00:09:20.040] They have always taught us to stand up for what we believe and our convictions. [00:09:25.560] And when I first started demonstrating, well, they had a positive attitude [00:09:31.440] about this because they knew this was what I wanted to do [00:09:34.840] and I had to do. [00:09:36.640] They're behind me one hundred percent and they feel that it is necessary for me [00:09:44.520] to go to jail and to sacrifice in any way possible [00:09:48.920] because I've explained to them that each time [00:09:52.080] I undergo some type of indignity, or sacrifice more, I become [00:09:57.760] more committed and rededicated to the principles upon which I stand. [00:10:04.320] As an American citizen, as one who put on a uniform quite some time ago to [00:10:10.640] defend the American way of life, as one who would have readily given his life to [00:10:16.840] have kept the American system going, [00:10:19.920] I think it's very despairing to have to participate in demonstrations [00:10:24.360] to get that which is really actually and rightfully ours. [00:10:29.520] I don't think the student should lose class time. [00:10:32.600] There are some who would object to this. [00:10:34.800] I think that my first responsibility is to prepare myself to step in to these new [00:10:39.880] opportunities that inevitably will come as segregation is completely broken down. [00:10:45.600] And I think my basic responsibility is to become [00:10:49.040] totally prepared to compete with any American [00:10:54.520] for the type of position that I want, the type of job that I'd like to hold, [00:10:58.960] the part that I am to play in society. [00:11:00.720] And I think that the only way I can do this [00:11:03.240] is to study hard, to be diligent in my study, and to prepare myself [00:11:09.000] to take advantage of the benefits of democracy. [00:11:14.600] I believe that each person plays a part in some way. [00:11:18.920] Some people do not choose to [00:11:21.240] overtly demonstrate by going out in the streets, where at the same time they [00:11:25.640] could possibly do typing or answering the phone. [00:11:29.840] Some people [00:11:31.600] who are in college now, as I am, [00:11:35.160] and who do not demonstrate [00:11:38.440] perhaps have a reason. [00:11:39.960] For instance, they are studying [00:11:42.040] to go into law, or to gain an education, so that they can fill the jobs [00:11:46.480] that the other Negroes are in the streets demonstrating for. [00:11:50.880] Freedom and equality [00:11:52.880] in every aspect of American life is something I want now. [00:11:58.040] And I felt that [00:12:00.800] after the trials and tribulations were over, [00:12:03.760] and after I had given my time in the demonstrations, [00:12:07.200] which were foremost, I used all of my what you call leisure time, for studies. [00:12:11.943] The [00:12:15.600] faculty member [00:12:17.520] in a Negro college, in the Southern Negro college, where they are [00:12:20.760] these Negro colleges exist, [00:12:23.960] are, for the most part, much older than the [00:12:29.520] generation that I belong to. [00:12:32.200] And they may have deceived themselves [00:12:34.720] into believing that they have found a niche that was safe in the, [00:12:40.920] deep in the bosom of this country. [00:12:43.520] But [00:12:44.920] I think now the demonstrations have proven [00:12:48.080] to be perhaps the most effective means by which the Negro can express [00:12:54.120] the pain, the anguish, the humility, the ravished character that has [00:13:01.080] sort of hovered over the mass of Negroes in this country [00:13:06.200] and he may become more sympathetic in the future. [00:13:10.160] I would have to say that [00:13:11.880] after the demonstrations really got started, and after it was dramatized [00:13:17.640] that the Negro could make gains only when he [00:13:20.840] went to the streets after all other efforts had failed. [00:13:24.840] I think this brought to them the moment of truth, [00:13:28.240] they realized that the philosophy of "wait until there is a change in the hearts [00:13:33.200] and minds of men" was not really as effective at as many people said it was. [00:13:39.920] I think we drove home to them the point that demonstrations do produce tangible results [00:13:46.480] that negotiations don't necessarily produce. [00:13:49.840] And I think that many of those who do not [00:13:53.760] actively demonstrate with us or who express openly [00:13:59.600] a sympathy with us, [00:14:00.880] I think they do sympathize with us. [00:14:03.120] Demonstrations, as we think of them, [00:14:06.880] are not the only way in which we can achieve equal rights, [00:14:10.960] but along with demonstrations and working through the courts, negotiations, and other [00:14:16.560] forms of protest, the Negro will gain equal rights. [00:14:19.840] We know for a fact that [00:14:22.480] when the founding fathers found this country, they held certain truth be [00:14:25.840] self-evident that all men were created equal, [00:14:28.440] however, we find that the Negro apparently was not included. [00:14:33.760] We are aware of the fact that the Civil War was fought more than a hundred years ago. [00:14:38.160] We are aware of the fact that citizenship and all of the things that are supposed [00:14:42.720] to accompany citizenship were granted to the Negro, [00:14:46.080] theoretically, that is, at that particular time. [00:14:48.920] But yet we are aware of the fact that [00:14:50.720] a hundred years have elapsed and there is still a great difference [00:14:56.760] in what the American people say to the developing nations all over the world, [00:15:02.800] what the American Constitution says, [00:15:06.160] and what the American Negro is actually able to realize. [00:15:10.600] But even the Negro who is considered the black bourgeoisie [00:15:15.400] wants more than just to be able to own a home, [00:15:19.200] but to be able to own a home in any section, [00:15:21.800] and to own property that he wants in any section of the town, to be able to [00:15:28.160] have the right to the buck and to spend [00:15:30.280] that money where he wants to, and to pursue happiness in any way that he chooses. [00:15:37.440] Of course, there are specific freedoms, I think, [00:15:41.200] namely the right to the ballot, which is fundamental to our way of life, [00:15:48.360] and also the right to become a part of the economic mainstream of America. [00:15:55.320] You see where you deny to a major segment of your population, [00:16:02.360] even though that segment is a minority, [00:16:06.240] you are really defeating [00:16:08.920] one of the basic purposes [00:16:11.560] of the American way of life. [00:16:13.800] Our job was to help organize the community and prepare the students, or whoever was [00:16:19.480] to demonstrate, by having nonviolent workshops, [00:16:24.200] by teaching them and exposing them to the doctrine of nonviolence, [00:16:30.080] to giving them [00:16:33.040] a sense of racial pride, by telling them of our great history— [00:16:37.600] from St. Augustine and the four Black Latin fathers on down— [00:16:42.080] and to really plan strategy and techniques [00:16:46.120] in demonstrations to negotiate, first of all, [00:16:52.000] in an attempt to prevent demonstrations if possible. [00:16:57.760] A White man recognizes the Negro is human [00:17:02.040] but is compelled by ulterior motives [00:17:07.800] to lie to himself and to others [00:17:10.880] and to say [00:17:12.960] that the Negro [00:17:16.040] is basically not human. [00:17:18.440] Now, he may not say this in these words exactly, [00:17:21.080] but his actions will say this for him. [00:17:24.720] You cannot, in one phrase, [00:17:27.040] say that the American way of life is equality for all people [00:17:33.040] and then say the Negro must stay back. [00:17:36.560] This is a basic inconsistency. [00:17:38.840] I feel that the White liberal has helped [00:17:43.160] when he has made a stand and stuck to his conviction, whether it be [00:17:49.760] writing newspaper articles, or letters [00:17:51.960] to the editors, or getting out on the streets and really demonstrating. [00:17:56.400] But White or Negro who is for the movement and only pays lip service, [00:18:05.720] in my estimation. [00:18:09.120] Well, I think that the Whites who participate in demonstrations [00:18:13.640] have really analyzed the situation and have come to a conclusion that what [00:18:19.240] segregation stands for is wrong and that they must take the stand. [00:18:25.240] And I am, I feel very proud of these people [00:18:28.640] because they suffer more indignities on picket lines and in demonstrations than Negroes, [00:18:35.360] because their fellow, their fellow Whites, [00:18:40.200] those segregationists, are against them more than they are us [00:18:45.000] in that they really have more name callers and things than we have. [00:18:51.640] A lot of White people don't realize that the Negro is human. [00:18:55.920] And I have found it difficult to understand them, [00:19:01.200] but the more I get into it, I realize [00:19:04.280] that some segregationists believe as strongly as I do that they are right [00:19:10.440] and this is the only way— separation of the races. [00:19:14.000] I think he wants an equal right himself. I think he does not [00:19:18.600] want any special privileges, as some would suggest. [00:19:22.160] I think he merely wants the right [00:19:25.120] to decide for himself, [00:19:27.400] the right to determine for himself rather than have someone impose on him [00:19:34.760] the position that he is to play in American society. [00:19:39.800] It is impossible for any Negro to feel that [00:19:44.560] segregation will only be in the South as long as his skin remains black. [00:19:50.800] However, [00:19:53.040] in the North, it's more or less [00:19:56.000] subtle, you know, quiet and oh, oh, so five hundred. [00:19:57.280] Oh, oh, so five hundred? [00:20:03.280] Well, high class. [00:20:04.360] They just won't out and out say [00:20:06.960] you're not wanted here. [00:20:08.520] You can come into these places. [00:20:11.200] They will take their time about serving you in some places however. [00:20:15.760] I think legislation is a part of what can be done. [00:20:19.720] I have no doubt that legislation can not solve the inequality. [00:20:24.640] It cannot [00:20:26.800] carry to America the idea that the Negro wants freedom [00:20:31.520] but I think it's a significant step in that direction. [00:20:35.280] The old Negro had a tremendous economical problem. [00:20:40.760] The young Negro had to work, [00:20:42.680] whereas today many young Negroes are in school, they have much more time, [00:20:47.400] they've been educated much more as to what [00:20:50.480] the evils are that exist in American society today, [00:20:54.160] and they have many channels which are open to them [00:20:56.800] that we're not open to the former Negro. [00:20:59.720] Of course, as we know from the history of the Negro [00:21:03.640] when he first came to America as a slave, he protested. [00:21:09.160] There were several outstanding leaders like Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, [00:21:14.360] a whole list of them. [00:21:16.240] But I think that the Negro today [00:21:19.760] has assumed a new militancy and he is daring because he has an opportunity to dare [00:21:29.480] much of which his predecessor did not have. [00:21:32.960] America and the democratic ideal are [00:21:40.000] saying that [00:21:41.800] all men are free, they all are entitled to the rights of democracy, [00:21:48.760] that a man is born with certain inherent rights. [00:21:53.040] However, no one can deny that Negroes have been denied these inherent rights [00:21:59.880] and I think this is the part of democracy that is hypocritical. [00:22:04.160] And I think what the White man is going to have to do is stop being so arrogant [00:22:09.160] and stop being so proud and recognize the fact that we are all human beings. [00:22:14.560] We're going to have to get this universal humanity concept. [00:22:18.520] I think it affects the psychology of a Negro. [00:22:21.920] It invariably breeds in him an inferiority, a feeling of inferiority. [00:22:29.560] And I think it's harmful not only [00:22:31.440] to the Negro, but it's harmful to America as a whole [00:22:35.520] and I think this is a major fault of discrimination. [00:22:41.480] The Negro, now I feel, basically believes that the principles of the American Constitution [00:22:48.720] can be achieved [00:22:51.520] and that America can do it. [00:22:54.960] But if America should fail to do this [00:22:59.920] then I think that many Negroes will resort to violent means. [00:23:04.280] I think basically the demonstrations have been led [00:23:07.520] by Americans who [00:23:09.640] feel that it's time for America to wake up [00:23:13.120] and begin to live its ideal, the ideal of democracy, [00:23:16.920] the ideal of equality, the ideal of the inherent goodness of human beings. [00:23:22.720] I think the demonstrators realized that, first of all, [00:23:27.360] America must live up to its ideal in facing other nations. [00:23:32.240] This Negro movement has been called a revolution. [00:23:36.720] Usually in revolutions there [00:23:39.880] is a move to overthrow that which actually exists. [00:23:43.840] Well, this movement is to overthrow [00:23:45.480] something, but it is not the political structure of America. [00:23:50.440] I think that Negroes are demonstrating [00:23:52.920] for America rather than demonstrating against America. [00:23:56.640] And I think that in many instances, [00:24:00.040] those who do demonstrate are seeking to take over [00:24:05.000] the reins of leadership [00:24:06.560] while this is not the case with the Negro revolution in America, [00:24:09.680] they are only seeking to gain their rightful part [00:24:12.960] in the leadership rather than to take it over all for themselves. [00:24:17.320] Is it really a man's due that he be denied [00:24:22.040] the rights that are his inherently? [00:24:25.840] From the very time that he is born, until the time that he dies. [00:24:30.680] From the time that he is born [00:24:32.200] in a segregated hospital until he is buried in a segregated cemetery, [00:24:37.520] and all in between is nothing but a pattern of segregation. [00:24:42.480] I think the Negro really wants the right not to be [00:24:47.400] the invisible man. [00:24:49.720] Much of the leadership has been provided by students. [00:24:53.400] There is a tendency on the part of many of the older generation [00:24:58.640] to advocate a rather go-slow policy. [00:25:02.800] But I think that [00:25:05.080] now after demonstrations have [00:25:08.440] been going on for quite some time, [00:25:10.360] that many of those who have originally advocated this go slow policy are being [00:25:15.480] won over to the new militancy on the part of the Negro student movement. [00:25:20.280] And I think that more and more this will be the case until eventually [00:25:25.080] most, if not all, will realize that this freedom must come, [00:25:29.600] it must come now and that you can't give a man his freedom too soon. [00:25:33.360] Well, here in North Carolina, the North Carolina Fund [00:25:36.960] has said on numerous occasions that it would welcome suggestions [00:25:41.200] as to means it could be employed to alleviate poverty in the state. [00:25:48.360] I think that the main thing that should be done [00:25:52.480] is to enfranchise, across the board, the Negro, [00:25:58.080] to make him a part of the state in the truest sense of the word. [00:26:03.360] You cannot say in other words, you want to alleviate poverty [00:26:06.960] and deny to a large segment of the public the right to help itself. [00:26:13.800] Each arrest and each conviction gives me a sort of different feeling. [00:26:19.840] I remember [00:26:21.600] when only two of us were jailed in Durham, North Carolina. [00:26:27.000] Only two? Only two. [00:26:27.200] And [00:26:28.600] that night [00:26:30.440] we were in a cell with a bunch of drunks and loud people and it was filthy. [00:26:36.720] And yet somehow with all that noise and all the filth [00:26:44.000] I think I—it was thought of a sanctuary, you know, a place where I felt that I had [00:26:51.760] almost achieved freedom, a sort of peace of mind. [00:26:56.600] And I think that for the first time, I believed in God. [00:27:00.600] [music]