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Good evening, I'm Cynthia Watts

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and welcome to the Arts in Durham.

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I have with my guests this
evening in studio

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Jim McIntyre,

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Executive Director
of the Durham Arts Council,

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and Danielle Withrow, the Associate
Director of the Durham Arts Council.

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Prior to asking Mr. McIntyre and
Miss Withrow to explain to us

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the functions of the Durham Arts Council

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I got intrigued and very interested

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in their backgrounds when I was
doing research for this program.

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And prior to that, I would like
to share with you their backgrounds.

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I found that both of you have very
extensive backgrounds in the field of art.

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You've been involved, Jim,
in the community arts program

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throughout North Carolina,
throughout the United States.

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You're a graduate of Duke University

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and day after graduation became 

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Executive Director of
the Durham Arts Council.

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You've been with the Council
now for eight years.

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You've studied in New York.

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You studied at Harvard.

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Both of you have studied abroad.

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And I found that your backgrounds
are very, very interesting.

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I thought that the
audience should know that 

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the Durham Arts Council staff has
such tremendous people

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with such a vast background
in the arts that I wanted

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to share that background
first with our audience

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and tell them some of the things

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that you have been involved
and you have been doing.

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I don't want to stereotype
you or label you

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or categorize you in any way,

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but both of you seem to be
crusaders of the arts.

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[laughs]

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It seems that professionally

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both of you have been
involved in the arts

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since graduating from institutions
of higher education.

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Jim you've studied
in Paris and Switzerland.

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Danielle, you've studied in New Zealand.

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And you have traveled to six continents

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and 49 states of the United States,
which I found very interesting.

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Danielle, you were with
the Blue Ridge Arts Council

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prior to coming to the
Durham Arts Council.

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You were Director
of the Goldsboro Arts Council

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and now you are Associate Director
of the Durham Arts Council.

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And you have been with the
Arts Council for two years.

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I would like to say
to both of you that I

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did enjoy reading both
of your biographies.

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And I think that you have done a vast

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research with the Durham Arts Council,

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being involved in the Arts Council,

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in the community services
that you have provided 

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for the Durham Arts Council.

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And we want to talk
about some of those things,

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but I commend both
of you on your backgrounds.

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I found them very, very intriguing.

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Jim, first, I would like to talk with you.

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As Executive Director of the
Durham Arts Council and then its

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 director for the past eight years.

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Let's share with the audience
the history of the Durham Arts Council.

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I know the Arts Council through

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the 25 years of existence
has gone through

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some major changes,
name changes, and moves,

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 and some progression.

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So let's share some of those
with the Arts Council.

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- [Jim] Certainly Cynthia.

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I think the history of the
Durham Arts Council itself is not

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unlike the history of many community
arts agencies in the country.

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We do have that distinction of being one
of the oldest community councils.

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Winston-Salem founded
the first council and Durham

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followed shortly thereafter.

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Originally in 1954, there were
a few community groups,

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three to be exact.

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All of which were
raising funds separately

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and dealing with the
problems of space, housing,

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and necessary resources on their own.

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They formed an organization
originally called United Arts.

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That was the beginning of

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the Durham Arts Council
as we know it today.

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In 1956, they occupied
the old Watts Home

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on Duke Street, a donation from
George Watts Hill, Senior.

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The council was
located there until 1961.

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We saw the beginning of arts classes

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and additional community groups.

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Somewhere in the
60s and not unlike,

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as I say, other
community arts groups,

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the Arts Council faced some
very serious problems.

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I personally analyzed those problems 

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when I came to the council and saw that

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it was a mixture of management

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and lack of financial support.

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The council almost went out
of business in 1968 and '69,

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but there was a tremendous rally
on the part of the community.

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There were individuals who are still

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supporters of the council who gave freely
of their time and freely of their money.

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Harry Van Straaten,
a prominent Durham businessman,

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became interested at that point


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and raised approximately $40,000

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in a two week period of time
to literally salvage


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the organization that was
then known as Allied Arts.

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With dedicated volunteers

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they put the organization
back on its feet

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and in 1970
hired an executive director.

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Then I shortly followed
in 1971 when I began

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my administration of the council 

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and since then we
have taken an approach

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that has been a little bit different than

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what preceded 1970.


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And that was to look at
the community as a whole,

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 not to look solely at the arts
resources that existed

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but to look at the total community,

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all of the backgrounds that we see

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from the kinds of people
who make up a community,

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the interest of the community,
and then seek to serve that population

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based on the premise

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that arts opportunities
are not a privilege.

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They are not

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merely for those who can
pay large fees for tickets.

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They're not merely for
people who even are inclined

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or able to travel to a center

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to participate, but should
be available to everyone

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without hassle, so to speak.

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Based on that premise, we have
developed a number of programs

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and expanded the base
of the Council activities.

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And it's been very rewarding.

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It's rewarding to the point that 

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we are looked at throughout
the country in many ways

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as a national model
for community arts programing.

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And I think that it is a matter of being

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sensitive to the constituency
that we serve.

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Arts councils, I feel, have to be

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almost an organic kind of institution.

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Organic in the sense that they must be

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able to respond almost daily
to the community needs.

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And those needs change constantly.

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It's not a set pattern that we can
therefore be satisfied with a set

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kind of service that we offer.

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We have to be flexible.

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We have to be open and listening to what

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the community itself is saying

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about its cultural background and
the way we can support it

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and provide incentive in some cases
for the development of new programs.

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Thank you, Jim.

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Briefly, give us the purpose
of the Durham Arts Council.

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- [Jim] It's a simple matter
to state the purpose.

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The purpose of the
Arts Council is to make

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people feel better about themselves,

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to make people feel better about
themselves through creative activities.

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I think if we analyze some of the

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trends in psychology

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we hear more and more
people talking about

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self-esteem issues and how
we perceive ourselves.

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I know of no better
way to increase one's

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self-esteem than through
a creative activity.

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Now, this then transcends
beyond just the individual.

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The individual is at the
heart of any community,

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but individuals then
make up neighborhoods.

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They make up cities as a whole.

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It seems that the Arts
Council and arts programs

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creative activities have a way
of cutting across barriers.

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Barriers that divide communities,

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racial barriers, economic barriers.

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In Durham, for instance,
the town and gown separation

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is beautifully bridged

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by the interaction of the
university community with the rest

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of the community through
creative programs.

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So we are there to make
people feel better about themselves,

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about their neighborhoods,

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about the community in which they
live through creative activities.

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This, of course,
goes through public schools,

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senior centers, prisons,
hospitals, nursing homes.

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And that particular premise
upon which we operate

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is applicable to every individual
that lives in Durham County.

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I would like to say that Durham should
be very proud of its Arts Council.

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You're doing some
wonderful things there.

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Danielle, I would like to ask you to

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first share with us the auspices

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of the Durham Arts Council,
the things that it gets involved in.

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- [Danielle] Right.
We have, as Jim mentioned,

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a great number of programs

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that reach out to every
segment of the community.

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These were started back in the early 70s

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and they've continued to grow and expand

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and will continue to grow
and expand for many years to come.

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We've just begun to touch the surface of

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providing creative activities for the
entire population throughout Durham.

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Some of the programs
that we are running,

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our Neighborhood Taproots
program for instance,

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we've been working in
17 different neighborhoods

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throughout Durham

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with creative activities,
performances, workshops.

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We work with a lot of
different ages, adults and

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teenagers, with our programs.

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We have a senior citizen program 

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which is co-sponsored by

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the Coordinating Council for
Senior Citizens and Durham Tech,

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 which provides

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arts experiences for older Americans

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in about six different centers.

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About 17 classes every session.

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And these classes range from
pottery to weaving to [?],

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flower arranging and has been
has been a very important part

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of the lives of the senior citizens
that go to the different centers.

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They've just finished
making a film on what they

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remember about Durham
as senior citizens

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 and that's just being put together.

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And it's really exciting the types

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of creative activities that are being done

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by the senior citizens.

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We work, as Jim mentioned, 

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in hospitals and prisons
with our access program.

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We take performances and 

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workshops into these
different institutions,

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again with the idea that creative
activities build self-esteem

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and that is a very important part
of what the Arts Council does.

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We've been running activity
days at the Arts Council

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on teacher work days
for the county schools

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where anywhere from 40 to 140

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young people have come
for an entire day of activities.

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We try to respond to whatever

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the community requests of us.

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We got a call yesterday from

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the Red Cross and their blood give in

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and they want some entertainment

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and some activities for
the young people.

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And we were right there with the ability

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to respond to those types of requests.

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There's very rarely a time
that the Arts Council will say

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to a community organization,
no, we can't help you.

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We don't have the resources.

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We don't know the people.

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I don't think that's ever been the case


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in the two years that I've been here

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that we've responded with a no
to anyone who calls us.

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Share with us now,
the arts assembly.

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Define for me
the difference between

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an affiliate and an association
and who are some of these?

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Several years ago, as part of
the Cultural Action Plan,

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we did change the makeup and
structure of the Arts Council

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mainly in response to the growing
number of arts organizations.

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For quite a long time there were

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six to eight major groups,
but then suddenly

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there developed a large number 

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of arts groups such as the Pocket Theater.

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The Durham Symphony is a relatively new

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group to the community,
the Carrington Community Band.

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So we felt that we must change
the Arts Council structure

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to be able to serve
all the arts institutions

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and artists in the community.

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So the Arts Assembly is a forum for

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arts groups and artists
to get together to discuss

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their common problems,

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projects that they might be
able to work together on.

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For instance,

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there is talk of dedication

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of the Arts Council building
and the arts assembly

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groups really felt like that was

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a wonderful way that they could get
involved with the Arts Council.

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There are two categories.

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One is the associate members,

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which is open to any nonprofit

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group that's involved
any way in the arts.

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This includes

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the Senior Citizens Coordinating
Council, the recreation department,

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and a number of other groups
that do have arts activities

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but that's not their primary focus.

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The affiliates are groups in
Durham County that are primarily 

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involved in the arts

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and that includes the Duke Artists series,

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the Durham Symphony, the Theater Guild,

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the Art Guild, the Council
for Creative Arts in the Public Schools.

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And it's very exciting to come

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to the meetings and
listen to discussions about,

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well, I've got lights.

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I can help you out with this show.

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We've got fifteen hundred costumes.

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Just come over any time.

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We'll see what we can find.

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That type of

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cooperation between the
groups is what we hope for

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and that's what's developing.

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All right, Danielle. I
would like to ask you to

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explain a little bit
about the CAPS program—

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the educational side of the Durham
Arts Council—with our audience.

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Well, there's really two types
of education that we're involved in.

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One at the Durham Arts Council is our

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educational program, which is a

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wide variety of classes for all ages.

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We have pottery,
yoga, theater, you name it,

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and it can be taught if there's enough
people interested in it, photography.

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Now that we're in our new building,
we have room for even more classes.

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In addition to that,

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we feel that it's important that
arts be a very important and

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basic part of the school curriculum

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and the Arts Council and

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the Council for Creative Arts
in the Public School.

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A member group has
worked very hard and I

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think, what, six years I believe?

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For quite a while in working to

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have arts be a part of
the day of the school children.

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It's a very successful program.

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It is, again, a model for the nation

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and it too is growing
every day with new ideas

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and new approaches
to arts and education.

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- [Cynthia] Thank you.

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Jim, we are now downtown.
The arts are downtown.

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Let's talk about that move to City Hall.

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Let's talk about space.

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Who's housed in the Arts Council
now that it's in a new home?

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I'm quite sure that you are
enjoying the space.

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Literally how much more square footage 

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do you have than you
had at the Foushee Mansion?

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We have approximately
six times as much space

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in the building downtown.

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I was often amazed at the number of people

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who could be literally packed
into a 13,000 square foot

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building on Proctor Street
on a given evening.

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We were often glad that the fire inspector

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did not visit us when

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so many people were
using the building at once.

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The old City Hall has adapted
beautifully for the purposes of the arts.

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The City Hall building was originally
built in 1907 as Durham's first

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public high school building.

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As such, the space was designed to be
large, open classroom spaces.

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We have returned the building 

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to that original kind of
shape in most instances.

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The city, of course,
when used as a City Hall

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of necessity, had to put in many small

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partitions to accommodate
a great number of employees.

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We have now removed many of those,
40 of them went down in a single day,

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and created open spaces
in which the arts can thrive.

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This includes four large galleries
with changing exhibitions.

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The old City Council Chamber 

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on the second floor of the
building has been adapted

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into a theater that
will seat 150 people.

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We also have the
costuming set design functions

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within the building as well as the
classrooms, photographic dark rooms,

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pottery studio, the administrative
offices, and the council meeting rooms.

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And we have incorporated what had
previously been farmed out

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to the Lion Park school building—

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the studio spaces for local artists.

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We do rent at minimal cost studio space
for working artists in the community.

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I think it blends very
appropriately on the same floor,

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the administrative functions,
the clerical work,

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those of us who are balancing the budgets
of the Arts Council with the creative

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artists who are our neighbors
and working in the same building.

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So this is a tremendous expansion
in just the number of square feet.

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Yet I think the move from Proctor Street

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to downtown has overtones
that go beyond square footage.

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I think there's a symbolic move there
that represents a commitment

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to the revitalization
of the downtown area of Durham.

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I think many of us who have been
in this community for a while

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looked with some dismay

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at the demise of the Downtown
Revitalization Foundation.

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We have all, I think, shared

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a commitment to the improvement
of the downtown area because

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there's a basic physical principle,
I think, involved here.

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It has to do with the necessity for
a center, the necessity for the center.

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If we look at European communities

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where there was a town square.

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 Now, those town squares
were more than just a place

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that happened to be
the physical center of a community.

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They created the communications center,
the place where people came together.

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If you watch in a shopping
center mall on a Saturday,

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how many of those
people are shopping

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and how many
are people watching?

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It's a human nature
sort of thing that we like

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to be in the company of other people.

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I think the center of town is necessary
for that reason, if no other.

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And we do need to work

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on the revitalization of that area


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so that we're not totally
dispersed into the suburbs,

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particularly as the energy
issues become more critical.

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That kind of matter becomes
critical to the community concern.

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We're very glad to be there.

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We're very glad to be,

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with all due respect to other businesses

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and government agencies downtown,

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what I think will become the biggest

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people attracting activity
in the downtown area.

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This, of course,

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can only be good for other
establishments such as restaurants

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and shops that can
come back into this area

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so that a lively arts center

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has been identified

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as one of the priorities
for the downtown area.

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Two years ago,

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perhaps three, the Downtown
Revitalization Foundation did a survey.

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They listed 12 or 15 priorities

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and they surveyed 500 people

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at random in Durham County
for their response

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what they would like to see downtown.

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Of those priorities an art center
ranked fourth. Is that correct?

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- [Danielle] I think so.

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[crosstalk]

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It was a very high priority listing

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much to the surprise of even
some of our own leaders 

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within the Arts Council
that the arts were viewed

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as that kind of a priority.

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But in other instances
that we've seen, other cities,

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I would venture to say that one
of the prime factors 

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at work in the revitalization
of the downtown area of Atlanta

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has been the arts programing.

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The sculptures in public places,
the creative use of the arts to attract

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people back into the
core district of the city.

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So that our move

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to downtown has more to do
than just square footage.

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That, of course, is a concern.

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Finally, it represents, I believe,

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a symbolic relationship
with the City of Durham.

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We're very pleased to be
in a city building.

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We're very pleased to develop
the cooperative kind of relationship

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that we can.

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The city had a building
there that needed to be used.

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They have found happy welcome
tenants in the Arts Council.

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Jim I would like to say that I think that

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the Durham Arts Council is now located

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where it can be a
symbolic symbol for Durham

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because of the fact of its history,

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first it was Durham High School

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and then later became
City Hall, and now it's 

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the home of the Durham Arts Council.

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So I think that the Arts Council selected
a very good site for its new home.

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I do want to get into some of the
things that you plan to do

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for your public awareness program,

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your PR programs, since
you have moved to City Hall.

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I know there have been several

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special events that the
Arts Council has put on.

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Let's talk about some of those projects.

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I know the Arts Council is a people

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project oriented organization,
bringing the community together.

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What are some of the things
that you plan to do in the future?

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And discuss with us
a couple of the special

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public awareness projects

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that the Arts Council has taken
on and will take on in the near future.

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The

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move to downtown puts us

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on the edge of several
main roads for one thing.

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We're very pleased that there's a lot
of traffic going around the building.

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Before we were in a
residential neighborhood.

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So we now feel like we're more

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in the mainstream of everyday life. 

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In that regard we want to develop

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basically an atmosphere that is

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open and warm and hospitable to those

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people who want to walk in
and visit us at the art center.

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I know from my own
experience and I recall

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a first visit to the Metropolitan
Museum in New York 

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and walking up the stately stairs

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and feeling somewhat intimidated

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by the overwhelming character.

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Oh this is the arts.

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This is

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something very important,
almost sacred, a temple to art.

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That's not what we've
created in Downtown Durham.

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We are pleased to have nice galleries

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that accommodate works of art very well.

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Yet at the same time

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it's a place that you can
come in, look around,

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see what's going on,

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and I hope not feel intimidated
by art because it is a people place.

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Some of the things
we've done to encourage

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this kind of drop in visitation

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have been in the form of luncheons.

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We have invited 

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everyone who works within
the central business district

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 to come over and have
lunch with us to see the building,

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to be given a tour and
experience what's going on there.

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In addition to that,

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we have done some
special work with civic clubs,

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providing them with
an evenings entertainment,

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 meals served in our galleries

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catered by outside individuals,


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and tried to encourage
the use of the building

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by other groups for small meetings.

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For instance, the Chamber of Commerce,
now in a cooperative effort,

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sponsors a number of committee meetings
that are held in our building as well.

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We hope to continue this kind of thing.

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We will be putting some brightly colored

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banners on the front of our building

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to make sure everyone
knows where we are.

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And we will continue special PR efforts

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to introduce people to the art
center in downtown.

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Thank you. Danielle,

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and I know I've got
to start to wrap this up,

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let's talk about street art celebration,

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the Sixth Street Art
Celebration for Durham.

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Well, we just in the past couple of weeks

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begun to work on almost a daily
basis to get it organized.

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We've met with the recreation department,

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which provides invaluable
assistance to us on that day.

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The date has been set for September 29th

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and we are beginning
very early this year 

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because we want to make this our

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25th anniversary birthday
party and we're real excited about it.

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We're beginning to recruit
volunteers for it.

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So we encourage
people to begin calling now

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to the Arts Council to
volunteer or if they want to be

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a performer or
register for a booth there.

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We're just beginning that process now.

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- [Cynthia] Thank you.

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Jim, let's look at the
crystal ball for a minute.

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Let's get into the future
of the Arts Council.

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Share that in a couple
of minutes with me, please.

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The future of the Arts Council,

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I consistently use the same
adjective—the future is bright.

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I think that the future predictions 

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have to be based
at this point solely on

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the response of the people of Durham

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which grows
increasingly strong each year.

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With the kinds of
responses we have had,

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with the increases of support across

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the board both in terms
of programing and finances

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I believe the Arts Council is

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an essential Durham institution
that will continue to prosper

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because of the effectiveness of
the arts in the revitalization of cities.

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 - [Cynthia] All right.
I want to ask each of you this.

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And as brief as possible.

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Jim, you've been on
committees appointed

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by the governor for
the arts in North Carolina.

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Danielle, your
involvement in arts councils

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throughout Rutherford County
and the Blue Ridge Parkway, etc.

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Let's talk about the
professional look of the arts.

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Let's talk about arts administration.

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Let's see how arts
administration during

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your tenure in the arts has grown.

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Both of you are relatively young

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and then when I look at your
backgrounds I find that it's vast,

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it's involved, that you
have grown in eight years

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and in seven years.
You've done a lot of things.

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You are old timers when it comes
to the profession of the arts.

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Let's talk about that for a minute.

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Each of you share something with me

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on your views of the
arts administration today.

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Well, I think that both
Jim and I are probably

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the old timers in the business,

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in community arts
administration in the state.

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And when we both started out,

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there was no training program
for community arts administrators.

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There were a few colleges across

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the country that offered arts
administration programs.

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Since then, even in the state,

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we've developed an internship program

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for community arts administrators.

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And we've begun to see

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professionals entering into the field,

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as well as those who came up
from the ranks and learned

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 the hard way how to balance budgets

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and work with those types
of things that we just didn't have

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as far as training right back
from the beginning. 

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It's exciting field,
a very exciting field.

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- [Cynthia] Jim, briefly, please.

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It's a field that's wide open.

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Money magazine
called it one of the most

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promising fields, professional
fields in the country today.

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It's growing very rapidly.

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It's changed a great deal.

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I would like to thank each of you
for being my guest on the Arts in Durham.

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I would like to thank you for watching.

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And next week, we'll be looking
at the Durham Symphony.

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Good night.